ATPL JAA

super fly · Message par **super fly** » 30 sept. 2006, 17:14

Bonjour à tous,

j'aimerai avoir vos avis concernant le fait de passer une seconde fois l'ATPL: pour une personne ayant obtenu le JAR, que pensez vous de passer le JAA en plus, afin d'obtimiser les chance d'obetention d'un emploi avec une plus grande disponibilité géographique. Tout ça dans l'éventualité où les chances en France ne s'ouvrirais pas.

Avez vous des bonnes ecoles par conrrespondances.
http://www.pea.com/courses/jaa.asp
j'ai bien trouvé celle ci par exemple, mais y'en a t il d'autre, et sur le principe qu'en pensez vous?

Merci de vos REX.

chti71 · Message par **chti71** » 01 oct. 2006, 00:47

Tu veux dire ATPL FAA ???

Si tu as deja l'ATP JAA et un niveau ok d'anglais...ca devrait pas te demander trop d'energie et de $$$.

super fly · Message par **super fly** » 01 oct. 2006, 14:06

En effet, je suis en cour d'atpl, ici en france actuelement; et j'essaye d'anticiper l'avenir, le plan B.

Comme tout le monde sais, le travail en france ne refoule pas à l'heure actuelle, alors il vaux mieux y penser à l'avance. Même si l'objectif 1er est Air France pour moi.

Y'a t-il donc des écoles connues qui ferraient l'ATPL FAA à distance? Et surtout, y'a-t-il des personnes ici qui auraient pensé à la même chose et entrepris ce genre de démarches?

Merci chti71.

pace · Message par **pace** » 01 oct. 2006, 14:27

super fly · Message par **super fly** » 01 oct. 2006, 14:38

Merci PACE,

Je ne connais pas cette école. je viens de consulter le site, je vois qu'ils parlent de PPL, CPL/IR, MCC, mais rien sur l'ATPL.
As tu pris contact avec cette école? ou en es tu dans tes démarches?

[ Ce message a été édité par: super fly le 2006-10-01 14:39 ]

pace · Message par **pace** » 01 oct. 2006, 14:52

bmartin_adx · Message par **bmartin_adx** » 01 oct. 2006, 17:02

Salut,

Juste un rappelle de base avant de se lancer tete baisser dans ce qui peut etre un mur:

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<blockquote>Sec. 61.153

Eligibility requirements: General.

To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must:
(a) Be at least 23 years of age;
(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft;
(c) Be of good moral character;
(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:
(1) Hold at least a commercial pilot certificate and an instrument rating;
(2) Meet the military experience requirements under Sec. 61.73 of this part to qualify for a commercial pilot certificate, and an instrument rating if the person is a rated military pilot or former rated military pilot of an Armed Force of the United States; or
(3) Hold either a foreign airline transport pilot or foreign commercial pilot license and an instrument rating, without limitations issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation.
(e) Meet the aeronautical experience requirements of this subpart that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought before applying for the practical test;
(f) Pass a knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas of Sec. 61.155(c) of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought;
(g) Pass the practical test on the areas of operation listed in Sec. 61.157(e) of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought; and
(h) Comply with the sections of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought.
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<blockquote>Sec. 61.159

Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) of this section, a person who is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category and class rating must have at least 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot that includes at least:
(1) 500 hours of cross-country flight time.
(2) 100 hours of night flight time.
(3) 75 hours of instrument flight time, in actual or simulated instrument conditions, subject to the following:
(i) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(3)(ii) of this section, an applicant may not receive credit for more than a total of 25 hours of simulated instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device.
(ii) A maximum of 50 hours of training in a flight simulator or flight training device may be credited toward the instrument flight time requirements of paragraph (a)(3) of this section if the training was accomplished in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
(iii) Training in a flight simulator or flight training device must be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device, representing an airplane.
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least--
(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and
(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.
(5) Not more than 100 hours of the total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section may be obtained in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents an airplane, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained in an approved course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
(b) A person who has performed at least 20 night takeoffs and landings to a full stop may substitute each additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of night flight time to satisfy the requirements of paragraph (a)(2) of this section; however, not more than 25 hours of night flight time may be credited in this manner.
(c) A commercial pilot may credit the following second-in-command flight time or flight-engineer flight time toward the 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot required by paragraph (a) of this section:
(1) Second-in-command time, provided the time is acquired in an airplane--
(i) Required to have more than one pilot flight crewmember by the airplane's flight manual, type certificate, or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted;
[(ii) Engaged in operations under subpart K of part 91, part 121, or part 135 of this chapter for which a second in command is required; or]
(iii) That is required by the operating rules of this chapter to have more than one pilot flight crewmember.
(2) Flight-engineer time, provided the time--
(i) Is acquired in an airplane required to have a flight engineer by the airplane's flight manual or type certificate;
(ii) Is acquired while engaged in operations under part 121 of this chapter for which a flight engineer is required;
(iii) Is acquired while the person is participating in a pilot training program approved under part 121 of this chapter; and
(iv) Does not exceed more than 1 hour for each 3 hours of flight engineer flight time for a total credited time of no more than 500 hours.
(d) An applicant may be issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the endorsement, "Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO," as prescribed by Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant:
(1) Credits second-in-command or flight-engineer time under paragraph (c) of this section toward the 1,500 hours total flight time requirement of paragraph (a) of this section;
(2) Does not have at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command time and none of his or her flight-engineer time; and
(3) Otherwise meets the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section.
(e) When the applicant specified in paragraph (d) of this section presents satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command flight time and none of his or her flight-engineer time, the applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the endorsement prescribed in that paragraph.
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Donc bien faire ttentions au minums qui sont differents de la France

alphafloor · Message par **alphafloor** » 01 oct. 2006, 23:15

L'ATPL FAA "s'utilise" t'il de la meme faÃ§on que le JAA?
Je m'explique: il me semble qu'en Europe, l'ATPL theorique JAA est une etape quasi incontournable si on espere trouver un emploi. Il vaut mieux passer cette licence avant meme ses qualifs pratiques CPL et IR, pour ne pas avoir Ã passer les epreuves theoriques plusieurs fois ( j'entends par lÃ que l'ATPL theorique JAA donne par equivalence l'IR et le CPL theoriques).
Puis par la suite, lorsque l'on atteint les 1500hdv, on peut passer l'ATPL pratique.
En revanche, il me semblait que les choses n'etaient pas comme ca aux USA, dans le sens oÃ¹ les pilotes passent leurs licences (CPL, IR, etc), mais que l'ATPL n'intervient qu'une fois que l'on bosse en compagnie, que c'est un peu le dernier sesame que le pilote passe avant de pouvoir etre captain. Autrement dit, il me semble qu'avoir l'ATPL theorique FAA n'est pas une prioritÃ© lorsque l'on recherche un emploi.
Voila, corrigez moi si j'ai dit des bÃªtises, j'ai peut-etre une fausse vision de la chose!...j'aimerais bien avoir le point de vue des pilotes expatriÃ©s aux USA <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

chti71 · Message par **chti71** » 02 oct. 2006, 00:41

Pour l'ATPL FAA...deux etapes....l'ecrit et la pratique....L'ecrit valide 2 ans se passe en "candidat libre"...pas besoin de cours au sol homologues, ni de presentation au test par un instructeur. Donc, pour l'ecrit, l'achat du bouquin d'ATP ecrit et le bachotage des questions est suffisant (pour ce qui est de la difference 135 et 121...dont sweat it...135 is ENOUGH).
Pour la pratique, il faudra bien sur avoir l'ecrit et un minimum d'heure de vol (1500h total...cf FAR pour le detail des heures de nuit, nav, et PIC)...et pour etre en possesion d'un CPL/IR (FAA ou OACI)
Egalement, pas besoin de signature pour le test ni de cours homologue...Mais, un entrainement prealable est quand meme recommende !!!
Par exemple pour ma part, j'ai passe mon ATPL de cette facon...Ecrit+oral, 1 semaine de revision...Pratique, 6h de vol pour me mettre la becanne en main...Test 1h30 d'oral + 2h de vol.
Cout total = Bouquin $40 + $80 examen ecrit + $1,100 de location avion (Grumann Cougar) + $300 d'examinateur + $360 location avion pour le test = $1,880 (tarifs vieux de plus de 5 ans)
je connais qques frenchies qui ont passe leur ATPL FAA, just for fun ou pour solidifier leur experiences...3 semaines semble etre la moyenne de temps a investir.

Questions ? you know where to find me.
Take care y'all

super fly · Message par **super fly** » 02 oct. 2006, 19:15

Merci a tous, je crois que l'essentiel est dit.