Attention, le message suivant va être long, très long !
C'est une copie de ce que j'ai reçu de Harv's Air en juin 2008 (il y a un an...). On y trouve un devis, plus qques infos utiles je pense...
Les couts a l'heure de vol ont un peu augmente... J'ai mis les nouveaux en ma possession en gras, dans le devis.
En résumé, un cursus ab initio, du PPL jusqu'au Multi IFR, coute entre 35000 et 40000 dollars. A cela, s'ajoutent les frais de subsistance, évalués a 10000 dollars/année par Immigration Canada. De plus, le devis étant basé sur des minimums réglementaires, l'école conseille de le majorer de 5 a 10%... De même, si la formation est "enrichie" par l'utilisation des avions autres que 152, cela va augmenter le devis.
Mis a part Winnipeg Intl, il y a l'aéroport de St Andrews, contrôlé, fréquences ATIS, tour, sol, etc... 3 belles pistes, trafic assez important. Tu as également qques terrains avec l'équivalent d'un agent AFIS pas trop loin, bref, y'a de quoi se planter a la radio au debut
Sur ce, courage pour la lecture...
Greg
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"Harv’s Air Service is a family owned and operated air service. Now with two locations: Steinbach and St. Andrews. Both locations are in the Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANADA area.
We offer accelerated but very comprehensive courses for all licences and permits from the new Recreational Permit on through to the Multi-IFR and Instructor Ratings. Since 1972 we have taken pride in offering the very best in flight training, in the safest, most enjoyable way possible.
Our Staff of instructors are all fully qualified and dedicated to making your flight training the most fulfilling, enjoyable experience possible. We also have Designated Flight Test Examiners employed in the company ensuring the highest standard of flight training possible.
Harv’s Air Service’s fleet of aircraft is second to none. We operate a mixed fleet of airplanes consisting of Cessna 152’s, Cessna 172’s, Citabrias, Pa-28-161, Pitts S2B, Beach Travel Air, Piper Seneca, Diamond DA-40, and a Piper Navajo ensuring a variety in your flight training. In addition to having one of the younger fleets in the flight training industry, all aircraft are maintained to the highest standard by our on-staff Aircraft Engineers.
The Steinbach location is at the Steinbach South Airport just a 30 min. drive from the perimeter of Winnipeg. This airport is owned and operated by the school, ensuring no landing fees, terminal fees, or headaches with no delays in your flight training.
The St. Andrews location is located at 601 Club Road on the St. Andrews airport complex. There are minimal fees (which are absorbed into the daily training fees), there are few headaches with no delays in your flight training, on site accommodations, and located near many instrument approaches.
Welcome to Aviation Students from the European Union
Harv's Air Pilot Training welcomes students from all over the world.
Please feel free to make further enquiries if your specific question is not answered. Links to useful website links can be found throughout this package. Please read through the entire package carefully as it will answer many of your questions.
Address :
Box 1056, Steinbach, Manitoba, Canada R5G 1M8
Steinbach Location: Phone 204.326.2434 1.800.HARVAIR Fax 204.326.4182 www.harvsair.com e-mail info@harvsair.com
St. Andrews Location: 601 Club Rd, Unit 100, St. Andrews, Manitoba R1A 3P6 Phone: 204.339.6186 Fax 204.339.6289
Educational Requirements :
There is no educational requirements to get a Canadian Licence. Depending on your country, and if you are planning to convert upon your return, you may need to contact the licencing body to find out what is required from them. A TOFEL or IETLS test is not required; however, a phone call to check the English is. Students must be able to read, write and speak English to a high standard.
Age Restrictions:
Students must be 18 upon arrival in Canada. There is no exception to this as it is the law that any person under the age of 18 has a guardian present. As Harv’s Air cannot provide this, all students must be of age upon arrival here.
Student Application Process :
Harv’s Air Service will accept 6-10 students for the first day of each Month. During the months of June and July, we will take a more limited number of new students.
The application process will be as follows: Prospective students are to submit the application form found on the website: http://www.harvsair.com/site/services/a ... -form.html.
Student applications will be processed on a monthly basis and will you will receive confirmation of acceptance within 48 hours of that meeting. You will be notified via e-mail when the next meeting will take place.
COURSE DESCRIPTION AND COSTS
Our Professional Pilot Course is the most intensive course to get you to your aviation goals. It includes the Private Licence, night rating, time building, multi rating, Instrument Rating, and Commercial Licence. Upon completion of this course, you would have what is required to start a career in aviation.
The approximate time to complete the course is 6-9 months. This time period depends on work ethic, stamina, and ability of the individual student. The longer a student takes to complete the training, the more the cost. Students are expected to fly a minimum of 20 hours per calendar month.
The following is the basic order of how the course will progress:
1. Private Pilot Licence
This is the beginning. This licence requires a minimum of 45 hours of flight training and 40 hours of ground school. Upon completion of this course, you would have a licence to fly single engine, land airplanes, with passengers (as many as the aircraft can accommodate). Involved within the private training is the exams for the student pilot permit and radio operators certificate; in the flying there is the basics of flying, airwork, take offs, landings, cross countries, instrument flying, precautionary landings, and forced approaches. The flying is done both with an instructor and solo. At the completion of this training there is a written exam and a flight test and upon passing, you are issued a private pilot licence. Please note that the average time to complete the private licence is 60-85 hours, slightly higher then the Transport Canada minimum of 45 hours. This is because 45 hours are the requirement, but you also must meet the standard set out by Transport Canada via a flight test. So in our experience over the past several years, this is the average time that we have observed.
2. Night Rating
The night rating is 15 hours of flight training. There is another 5 hours instrument flying, 5 hours dual night flying, and 5 hours solo night flying. There is also a cross country night flight. Upon completion of the time and satisfactory flying, the night rating can be issued.
3. Time Building
Time building is between the private and commercial licences as the commercial requires a total 200 hours with 100 hours of pilot in command time (solo flying). The night rating is included in the time building. During this time, you can do check outs on other aircraft (learning to fly other aircraft), do cross country flights, and achieve other ratings such as the Multi Rating or Instrument rating.
4. Multi Rating
This rating allows you to fly aircraft with more then one engine. There is no specific time requirement for this rating. The standard must be met and a flight test passed.
5. Instrument Rating
This can be done on a single engine aircraft or a multi engine aircraft. The multi will cost more because the cost for that aircraft is more. This rating will give you the privileges of flying in Instrument Conditions which means in cloud. Some of this training is done on a simulator to learn the procedures; the rest is in the aircraft. There is a written exam for this and a flight test in order to get this rating.
6. Commercial Licence
The Commercial Licence allows you to fly for hire which means that you can now make money when flying. The training is similar to that of a private, but there is now a higher standard to be met. The ground school requirement is 80 hours. To hold a commercial licence, the standards and requirements have to be met, along with passing the written exam and the flight test.
The following is a breakdown of the hour requirements plus some of the other fees associated with the training. Please note that these are based on minimum requirements and do not include time/money for re-testing, additional flight test fees, and additional training required to meet the standard (i.e. higher time to solo, additional dual review flights).
100 hours Dual Airplane, 20 hours Dual simulator
20 hours dual Cessna 172 $157/hour $3,140 rate june 2009 : $117/hour solo + $48 instructor
65 hours dual Cessna 152 $142/hour $9,230 rate june 2009 : $102/hour solo + $48 instructor
15 hours dual Beech 95 (twin engine) $286/hour $4,290 rate june 2009 : $297/hour dual only + $48 instructor
20 hours dual Flight Training Device $75/hour $1,500
100 hour Pilot in Command
20 hours solo Cessna 172 $109/hour $2,180 rate june 2009 : $117/hour solo
80 hours solo Cessna 152 $94/hour $7,520 rate june 2009 : $102/hour solo
Ground School and Pilot Supplies
Private Pilot Ground School Course $350 rate june 2009 : $250
Private Pilot Kit (books, supplies, etc) $294
Commercial Pilot Ground School Course $500 rate june 2009 : $275
Commercial Pilot Kit (books, supplies, etc) $189
Multi Engine Ground School Course $100
Multi Engine Pilot Kit (books, supplies, etc) $45
Instrument Rating Ground School Course $350
Instrument Pilot Kit (books, supplies, etc) $204
40 hours preflight briefings @$34/hour $1,360
Flight test, Written Exam, Licence Fees $1,470
Tax (some refundable at end of course) $2,500
TOTAL all fees in Canadian dollars. For exchange, go to www.xe.com $35,222
Current fuel prices have resulted in that we have had to add a fuel surcharge onto the rates. It is as follows (plus tax):
Cessna 172 (40 hours) add $11.88/hour $475.20
Cessna 152 (145 hours) add $8.39/hour $1216.55
Beech 95 (15 hours) add $26.57/hour $398.55
Price with fuel surcharge $37,312.30
* Flight Test Fees. All flight tests cost $275 plus the rental of the aircraft. rate june 2009 : $300
**Written Exam fees. These range in price from $35 to $120 depending on the written exam that you are writing.
***Licencing Fees. These also range from $30 to $80 depending on the licence/rating.
These fees are non-negotiable as they are set by Transport Canada
Duration of the Course :
The course, on average, takes 6-9 months. If you work very hard, you could get it done in 6 months. This time frame takes dedication, good work ethic, and self motivation.
Additional Costs
• If you choose to do the Multi Instrument rating, add $3000
• For EFIS training (highly recommended) in Diamond Star (DA-40) add $1500
• For 2 crew course, add $1000 (15 hours simulator)
• Medical Fees. There is a fee to do the medical with a price range from $70 to $100. There is also a processing fee for the medical from Transport Canada of $55.
• You will be required to pay a Student Health Insurance which costs about $40/month. Details can be obtained from http://www.kinginsurance.com/ Medical insurance may be purchased before you arrive in Canada.
• Fuel Prices may have a surcharge during the summer months. If you are training at this time, please be aware that these may be present and costs will have to be adjusted accordingly as we cannot control the cost of fuel.
• Flight training in any of the other aircraft we offer. In the above chart, we list the costs based on flying Cessna 152 and 172, if you choose to do some training in the Warrior or Citabria, the costs will change based on the rates of those planes. If you are interested in this, please let us know and we can give you the rate for those aircraft.
***It is best to add 5-10% onto the prices given above to give an accurate representation of the cost that will be involved with the entire course***
Cost of Living :
The embassy allows for $10,000/year or $833/month for living expenses. These include accommodations, food, clothing, transportation, and any other costs involved with living. The range for student’s cost of living is from $250-$500/month but this ultimately depends on how you live.
The approximate cost of living for our students for one year is estimated at $7000.
Ground School :
Ground school is mandatory for all full time students. There are 2 options for ground school and they are Online Ground School or Classroom ground school. Attendance is mandatory.
Prior to arrival, the Online Ground School www.pilottraining.ca will be started so that you are better prepared upon arrival.
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Accommodations :
Harv’s Air offers accommodations to students. The cost is $365/month for a single room and $265/month for a shared room. Single rooms are given on a first come, first serve basis.
The cost for accommodations for a year is approximately $4380. There is a housekeeper who comes to clean the accommodations every 2 weeks; however, you still must keep them clean.
All meals are self-provided. The restaurant in St. Andrews has a meal plan if you choose to do that.
You are responsible for your own bedding (for twin beds), hygiene products, laundry detergent, clock and food. The trailers bedrooms have a twin bed, desk, dresser, and closet. The kitchen has the required kitchen supplies and is a full kitchen (fridge, stove, microwave).
The following are rules that apply to those in the accommodations:
• Local calling is included in the cost. Any long distance calling will be done using a calling card.
• You are expected to clean up after yourself both in your room and in the common areas (kitchen, living room). You are responsible for your own cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc.
• Respect for other student’s and their belongings residing in the accommodations. Also, the quiet times is 11 PM to 7 AM, but during other times, keep the noise level down as well.
• Only students actively flying—minimum 20 hours a month—are eligible to stay in the accommodations. If you do not achieve this minimum hour requirement, there is an additional charge of $75 to be paid for the accommodations.
• Students are not allowed to work off campus if they are in Harv’s Air accommodations.
• There is no smoking, drinking, or drugs allowed in the accommodations.
• You are responsible for any damage—paying for the repair and the parts required making the repair.
• When you move out of the accommodations, they must be in the same condition as when you moved in.
• There are no pets allowed in the accommodations.
• Only 2 visitors per person allowed at one time; no parties. All visitors must leave by 11 PM.
Non-compliance with the rules of the accommodations will result in dismissal from the school’s accommodations and you will have to find your own accommodations.
Transportation :
Students who live on the airport property can walk to school. When students need essentials they can rent one of the student cars and drive to Steinbach or Winnipeg. Cost to rent the car is .40 kilometer including fuel. Car rental is for “essential requirements only”. Students who want the car in the evening or overnight will be advised to rent from a rental agency. To drive in Canada, your Indian driver’s licence is valid for 3 months. If you have an international drivers licence, it is valid for 1 year. You cannot rent a school car or a car from a rental agency if your licence is no longer valid. If you get into an accident, you are responsible for paying the deductible and going to the proper authorities and the school about it.
If you are requiring pick up/drop off at Winnipeg International, the following applies.
• We will provide pick up from 9AM to 10PM
• If you are arriving at other times then this, then you must wait until the times that we can pick you up (in a hotel if applies)
• You must call from your last departure point (either a connecting airport, or the departure if Winnipeg is next). If you do not call, we will not be there to pick you up. Please call 1 800 HARV AIR to confirm your arrival details.
Grounds for Dismissal
We will give you every opportunity to complete your training and do our utmost to help you complete it; however, certain standards are to be met to continue your training. The following will result in dismissal from the school:
• The use of alcohol or drugs while you are training will result in an automatic dismissal.
• Solo time. If the first solo flight has not happen by 30 hours, there will be a review with a senior instructor. If more review is needed, a maximum of 5 hours will be flown, and if the solo flight has not occurred, then dismissal from the school will take place.
Payment of Fees
Course fees can be paid as the training progresses (for example, after each flight/day). The other option is to put money onto your account (for example pay $1000) and work off that and make another payment when the money has run out.
During flight training, if there is any money owing to the school, the flight training will be stopped. There are no exceptions to this rule. The money must be here for training to resume—this includes if the money has been wired and is in transit—the training is ceased until the funds arrive.
Payment may be made by wire transfer, western union, credit card, certified check, bank cards.
Please note that an international certified cheque can take 2-3 weeks to clear.
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Student Visa
You can come on a visitor’s visa for 6 months. If you will need longer then this time, you can leave the country and come back in and the visitor’s visa will be “reset” for an additional 6 months. If you have plans to work here following your training, it is best to get a student visa as it makes the transition to work here easier. For more information go to www.cic.gc.ca.
Frequently Asked Questions
Does Harv's Air guarantee a job placement at the end of training?
Canadian aviation qualifications are well recognized and respected around the world, especially when gained from a renowned and reputable organization such as Harv's Air; however, we cannot guarantee a job placement at the end of training. We offer all our students assistance and direction, where possible, to assist them in finding suitable employment. Gaining employment in general aviation or the airlines is up to the individual graduate. Considering the current shortfall in Indian pilots at the present time, employment in aviation looks promising in the region.
Can I work in Canada after completing the course?
Your student visa will expire at the end of your course, so in order to work in Canada you would need to apply to the Department of Immigration to see if you can obtain a work visa. Without a work visa you are unable to be employed in Canada after your course is finished.
When can I start?
You can begin your training at the next available time that we have. Generally, there is a 2-3 month time period from initial contact to the time we have room for you to start. Generally, start dates or for the 1st day of the month. If we do have room prior to this, and you have your paperwork (visa, passport, etc) completed, then you could come earlier.
What is the daily life like?
Students are expected to be active in their studies. Students will fly at least 2-3 hours a day. To fly an hour students are expected to prepare for at least 2 hours to maximize the benefit of the training flight. Students are expected to study for at least 4 hours for every hour in the classroom. Learning to fly is an intensive, emotional endeavor. It is not simply a physical manipulation of the controls. To stay on schedule, we book 6-7 days a week expecting to lose at least 1 day of the week to weather. Ground School is conducted in the evenings so that the daylight hours are for flying.
Can Harv's Air offer part-time employment to its students?
Unfortunately, we are unable to assist with part-time employment for all of students; however, it is possible to find part-time employment in and around the area surrounding the schools. Working even part time will delay the training significantly. Working and paying for the training at the same time does not work.
Does Harv's Air offer assistance with a loan for course fees and/or accommodation and living expenses?
Harv's Air does not have the facility to offer bank loans for course fees, nor do we have any kind of scholarship entry into the course.
What's the weather like?
For flying, it's excellent, certainly the best in Canada. We fly visually at least 310 days a year. Instrument training can be conducted about 330 days a year. We get winter November to February. Don't let this scare you off. We have the technology to deal with the temperature. We have warm airplanes, cars, buildings, and clothing. It's an excellent experience for Indian students as you can expect in your future aviation career to have to deal with winter, so it's best to experience it early in your career. Winter flying offers clear air, smooth flying, and excellent aircraft performance. At worst we lose 4 days for each month in winter.
Harv’s Air tradition of flight training excellence:
Our flight training standards are high. Do not expect an easy course. Flying is a serous business requiring hard work and dedication. The right attitude is essential. Safety is above all. Students have to do the work themselves and are expected to be self motivated. Parents are not here, nor will we baby sit you. You have to get yourself out of bed and be on time for your bookings.
We believe in high quality flight training with no short cuts. We are not just issuing a piece of paper that says you have pilot licence, but a professional pilot who has the skill to fly for a major airline using the most modern teaching techniques. We have tremendous resources to train pilots quickly and efficiently. Students are expected to work VERY HARD and be professionals. An airline career starts with flight school on day one. We do not suffer fools kindly, nor does any airline. About 10% of students are removed from the program due to poor aptitude, attitude, and work ethic. The students who graduate are highly desirable to the industry.
What are the common errors students make?
• Running out of money. Flying is expensive. Don’t cut corners just to save some money—be dedicated to doing a good job for yourself.
• Lack of preparation before flight. This will result in a longer training time and ultimately higher cost. No studying, no reading, no video, no nothing. “The instructor will teach me everything”. Teaching does not mean spoon feeding. We expect you to do your part. One on one ground briefings can quickly get expensive. Show your instructor that you know your stuff and you’ll save ground time.
• Getting distracted by life. This can easily happen. You are far away from home with no one looking over your shoulder. You are here to learn how to fly—not have a social life. If this happens, your training will suffer resulting in more money and longer time period to finish the course.
• Comparing yourself to other students. Do not focus on how other students are doing or how many hours they take. This does not matter. Focus on your flight training and not someone else’s. Every student responds differently to flying and if you are brand new to it, it may take longer for you to get accustomed to it. Do not be concerned about “saving face”. Focus on your performance, not how someone else is doing. We will not compare you to other students, and you should not do the same to yourself. We will be honest with your progress and we expect you to do the same for yourself.
How can I save money during my flight training?
• Be Prepared! Do your reading, watch videos, study, follow the syllabus, ask questions. Approach each lesson prepared, knowing your procedures, having completed the assignment. Do not depend on your instructor to do it for you.
• Focus on your flight training. Keep your training going at a good pace. Long breaks from training will result in more review being required, thus higher cost.
• Get sleep. Being well rested will make a big difference in how you are learning. We understand that for you to call home it could be very late at night, but try to arrange them so that you get good rest and are prepared for lessons.
• Make a serious effort and have a good attitude.
Life in Canada
In Canada you are expected to be responsible for your own well being. Nobody will get you out of bed, nobody else will clean your clothes, and nobody else will clean your crumbs off the table, YOU ARE EXPECTED to clean up after yourself. There are no servants in Canada, minimum wage is almost 7$/hour!! "
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