Heure de planeur reconnue par la FAA pour le CPL?

[Fladagan]

Bonjour à tous et à toutes,

Je suis actuellement aux US, je viens de passer mon PPL et j'entame le CPL/IR (le tout FAA et non JAA). Par ailleurs, j'ai une licence de planeur JAA avec 175h. Normalement les heures de planeur peuvent être utilisées (PIC hours, XC hours, etc) pour atteindre les minima du CPL FAA, ce qui dans mon cas me ferait économiser plus de 50h de vol...
Mon instructeur m'a mis un gros doute: est ce que la FAA reconnait-elle ma licence et donc toutes mes heures de planeur en France (Solo et instruction) pour l'obtention du CPL? Ai-je besoin de faire une demande de conversion de ma licence au près de la FAA?

Si quelqu'un a déjà été dans ce cas, tout indice de réponse est le bienvenu! :p

Merci!!!

Alexandra

[Blackberry]

Oui, elles peuvent être utilisées dans la limite autorisée dans 61.129. Une heure de vol est une heure de vol, ou qu'elle soit effectuée.

Des 250h nécessaires, tu peux utiliser 150h de planeur.
Pour les 100h de PIC tu peux compter 50h de planeur.

Néanmoins, pour les XC, seuls les XC de plus de 50nm entre le point de départ et d'arrivée en ligne droite peuvent être comptés

Si tu veux plus d'infos ou de précisions, des conseils pour optimiser ton time building, n'hésite pas à m'envoyer un MP.

(a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:

(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.

(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—

(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and

(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.

(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—

(i) Ten hours of instrument training using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. Five hours of the 10 hours required on instrument training must be in a single engine airplane;

(ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;

(iii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;

(iv) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(v) Three hours in a single-engine airplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.

(4) Ten hours of solo flight time in a single engine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a single engine airplane with an authorized instructor on board (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement under paragraph (a)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed under §61.127(b)(1) that include—

(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and

(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.

[Fladagan]

Merci!

[cedfly]

Bonjour à tous et à toutes,

Je suis actuellement aux US, je viens de passer mon PPL et j'entame le CPL/IR (le tout FAA et non JAA). Par ailleurs, j'ai une licence de planeur JAA avec 175h. Normalement les heures de planeur peuvent être utilisées (PIC hours, XC hours, etc) pour atteindre les minima du CPL FAA, ce qui dans mon cas me ferait économiser plus de 50h de vol...
Mon instructeur m'a mis un gros doute: est ce que la FAA reconnait-elle ma licence et donc toutes mes heures de planeur en France (Solo et instruction) pour l'obtention du CPL? Ai-je besoin de faire une demande de conversion de ma licence au près de la FAA?

Si quelqu'un a déjà été dans ce cas, tout indice de réponse est le bienvenu! :p

Merci!!!

Alexandra

intéressant, étant donné que le pilote planeur et le pilote avion utilise un carnet de vol différent, comment et où sont comptabilisées les heures de vol planeur pour ton CPL FAA?

[Fladagan]

Il te suffit d'ajouter une colonne Glider à la suite de SE, ME etc et d'entrer le nombre d'heures de vol de ton carnet de vol planeur dans la partie "amount forward".... Un peu comme si tu ouvrais un nouveau logbook et que tu ajoutais les heures faites sur le precedent logbook. Tu ajoutes ainsi tes heures de vol en cross country, PIC, solo, total hours...

Aux US, pour le CPL tu as besoin de 250h de vol au total dont 100h dans un aeronef motorisé. Regarde ds le poste précedent tous les critères et tu verras que tout n'est pas necessairement à faire dans un avion. Autre exemple: 50h de crosscountry en tant que PIC à faire mais seulement "10h must be in airplanes"

[lesoreilles]

Salut les gars,

ravi de vous retrouver après tant de mois passés à rembourser mon ppl

j'ai une question concernant le time-building, judicieusement placée ici vous en conviendrez:

67h au carnet de vol, la prochaine étape est le murissement
Ma boite me propose de payer jusqu'à 2800€ de formation, donc soit conversion de licence FAA/JAA, auquel cas c'est cool, je vais pouvoir voler de temps en temps en France avec ma belle licence française. Par contre je vais voler peu vu le coût de l'heure de vol :badteeth:
Soit je peux me faire payer la licence planeur par la boite, puis monter un nombre d'heures conséquent ici en France. Je prévois aussi bien sûr de pratiquer aux US pour répartir les vols moteur/glider équitablement sans arriver aux minima.

Vous en pensez quoi?
Sinon quel budget prévoir pour un time building réduit de 50 hdv, en prévoyant un binôme?

[Blackberry]

Sinon quel budget prévoir pour un time building réduit de 50 hdv, en prévoyant un binôme?

Si tu prévois de faire du shared time, c'est interdit de loguer tous les deux en total time sur un avion monopilote.

Je te conseille de faire du glider et ensuite de compléter avec des heures avion aux US.

Ton plan c'est quoi en fait ?

[lesoreilles]

Ton plan c'est quoi en fait ?

Un peu comme celui de notre amie Fladagan, mais à l'envers. Commencer par le glider, enchainer avec le time building moteur.
En revanche je crois qu'il faut 200h au total au Canada comparé aux 250h aux US. Il a l'air beaucoup moins restrictif sur les autres points (du genre 20h seulement de x-country). Je sais qu'on est sur le forum usa, c'est juste à titre informatif.

(4) Experience
(a) An applicant for a commercial pilot licence — aeroplane shall
(i) have completed, subject to paragraph (b), a minimum of 200 hours flight time in aeroplanes, of which a minimum of 100 hours shall be pilot-in-command time including 20 hours cross-country pilot-in-command flight time

[rotax]

Bonjour
Quelqu' un peut me dire si les heures ulm,planeur et vla comptent pour ATP FAA.comme j'en ai pas mal du ulm d'où ma question. Merci

[excelaviation]

Salut,

Voici les requirements pour l'ATP FAA... Juste a titre d'info, a mon avis, c'est beaucoup trop cher maintenant pour passer un ATP en candidat libre, la FAA s'oriente vers le meme systeme que l'Europe, l'ATP se passe en compagnie...
Mais bon, voici l'extrait.

§61.159 Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) of this section, a person who is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category and class rating must have at least 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot that includes at least:

(1) 500 hours of cross-country flight time.

(2) 100 hours of night flight time.

(3) 50 hours of flight time in the class of airplane for the rating sought. A maximum of 25 hours of training in a full flight simulator representing the class of airplane for the rating sought may be credited toward the flight time requirement of this paragraph if the training was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter. A flight training device or aviation training device may not be used to satisfy this requirement.

(4) 75 hours of instrument flight time, in actual or simulated instrument conditions, subject to the following:

(i) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(4)(ii) of this section, an applicant may not receive credit for more than a total of 25 hours of simulated instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device.

(ii) A maximum of 50 hours of training in a flight simulator or flight training device may be credited toward the instrument flight time requirements of paragraph (a)(4) of this section if the training was accomplished in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

(iii) Training in a flight simulator or flight training device must be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device, representing an airplane.

(5) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—

(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and

(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.

(6) Not more than 100 hours of the total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section or §61.160 may be obtained in a full flight simulator or flight training device provided the device represents an airplane and the aeronautical experience was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter.

(b) A person who has performed at least 20 night takeoffs and landings to a full stop may substitute each additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of night flight time to satisfy the requirements of paragraph (a)(2) of this section; however, not more than 25 hours of night flight time may be credited in this manner.

(c) A commercial pilot may credit the following second-in-command flight time or flight-engineer flight time toward the 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot required by paragraph (a) of this section:

(1) Second-in-command time, provided the time is acquired in an airplane—

(i) Required to have more than one pilot flight crewmember by the airplane's flight manual, type certificate, or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted;

(ii) Engaged in operations under subpart K of part 91, part 121, or part 135 of this chapter for which a second in command is required; or

(iii) That is required by the operating rules of this chapter to have more than one pilot flight crewmember.

(2) Flight-engineer time, provided the time—

(i) Is acquired in an airplane required to have a flight engineer by the airplane's flight manual or type certificate;

(ii) Is acquired while engaged in operations under part 121 of this chapter for which a flight engineer is required;

(iii) Is acquired while the person is participating in a pilot training program approved under part 121 of this chapter; and

(iv) Does not exceed more than 1 hour for each 3 hours of flight engineer flight time for a total credited time of no more than 500 hours.

(3) Flight-engineer time, provided the flight time—

(i) Is acquired as a U.S. Armed Forces' flight engineer crewmember in an airplane that requires a flight engineer crewmember by the flight manual;

(ii) Is acquired while the person is participating in a flight engineer crewmember training program for the U.S. Armed Forces; and

(iii) Does not exceed 1 hour for each 3 hours of flight engineer flight time for a total credited time of no more than 500 hours.

(d) An applicant is issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the limitation, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed under Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant does not meet the ICAO requirements contained in Annex 1 “Personnel Licensing” to the Convention on International Civil Aviation, but otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of this section.

(e) An applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the ICAO limitation specified under paragraph (d) of this section when the applicant presents satisfactory evidence of having met the ICAO requirements under paragraph (d) of this section and otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of this section.

[rotax]

Merci excelaviation,en fait je fais du taxi avec pa32 et de l'instruction sur ulm ,planeur et paramoteur.alors je comptabilise le tout (pas paramoteur) et quant j'arrive au minimas demandés et 1500h ,alors là c'est la compagnie qui peut me présenter à l'exam,ou je me trompe? Merci encore

[excelaviation]

Salut,

Tu es aux US?
Si tu es en Europe, il te faut passer maintenant par une ecole pour la partie "ground" et simu, ce qui, a mon avis, va amener les gens a ne plus passer l'ATP en candidat libre, comme avant. Le cout sera tellement eleve, que ce sera plus simple d'avoir les minima pour un job 121, et ensuite passer l'ATP en compagnie.

Si tu es en Europe, et a moins que tu aies deja un ATP EASA, il te faut le CPL/IR FAA avant de pouvoir te presenter au test FAA.

Sinon, pour repondre a ta question des heures Planeur et ULM, ilo faut nregarder les requirements pour le CPL, les voici:
§61.129 Aeronautical experience.
(a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:

(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.

(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—

(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and

(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.

(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—

(i) Ten hours of instrument training using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. Five hours of the 10 hours required on instrument training must be in a single engine airplane;

(ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;

(iii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;

(iv) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(v) Three hours in a single-engine airplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.

(4) Ten hours of solo flight time in a single engine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a single engine airplane with an authorized instructor on board (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement under paragraph (a)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed under §61.127(b)(1) that include—

(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and

(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.

Donc certaines heures peuvent etre prises en compte pour le CPL, et donc pour l'ATP...

[rotax]

Aï Aï ça se complique alors, je suis en Argentine et toutes mes licences sont d'ici. On verra de quoi sera fait le future. Peut être je francherai la première étape et de valider mes licences en Faa ,mais si çà demande une conversion ,là je laisse tomber c'est chers.merci encore

[chti71]

Peut être je francherai la première étape et de valider mes licences en Faa ,mais si çà demande une conversion ,là je laisse tomber c'est chers

Si tu veux des licences professionnelles FAA, il te faudra convertir...pas de validation.
Seul le PPL peut être valider.

[rotax]

Alors faut que je me prepare financierement,
Merci encore