Nouveau Crash Malaysia Airlines

[pilote92250]

sans mots...

http://lci.tf1.fr/monde/europe/un-boein ... 53777.html

[Jumbo]

Abattu par un missile Ukrainien ou pro-Russe ?!

[pilote92250]

Trop tôt pour savoir mais je crois que ce matin un avion militaire Ukrainien a été abattu dans la région

[Hanni]

"l'avion aurait été abattu"

Sachant que c'est une des hypothèses pour le crash précédent... Ca fout la trouille

[Dan]

Ce n'est pas ce coin que l'EASA préconise d'éviter à cause du double-contrôle russo-ukrainien ?

EASA Safety Information Bulletin

SIB No.: 2014-10
Issued: 03 April 2014

Subject: Simferopol Flight Information Region (FIR)

Ref. Publications: ICAO State letter [EUR/NAT 14-0243.TEC (FOL/CUP) issued
on 02 April 2014];

NOTAM A0569/14 published by the Ukrainian authorities.
Applicability: National Aviation Authorities and Aircraft operator(s).

Description: Taking into consideration the recent publication by the
Russian Federation of a series of notices to airmen
(NOTAMs) modifying the Simferopol FIR which is under the
responsibility of Ukraine, and their intent to provide air traffic
services (ATS) within this airspace, the Agency draws the
aviation communities’ attention to the possible existence of
serious risks to the safety of international civil flights.
Due to the unsafe situation where more than one ATS
provider may be controlling flights within the same airspace
from 3 April 2014, 0600 UTC onwards, consideration should
be given to measures to avoid the airspace and
circumnavigate the Simferopol FIR with alternative routings.
Information is provided for the National Aviation Authorities
responsible for oversight of aircraft operator(s) which may use
the airspace of the Simferopol FIR.

Recommendation(s): National Aviation Authorities should ensure that all aircraft
operator(s) are aware of the following information:
European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), ICAO and
EUROCONTROL Network Manager strongly recommend
airspace users to avoid specific airspace and circumnavigate
Simferopol FIR using available alternative routings.

[pilote92250]

Aucune idée mais c'est flippant

[Hanni]

Si c'est vrai, qu'est-ce qu'il foutait à 10 000 pieds au-dessus de l'Ukraine en partant d'Amsterdam??

[Dan]

10000 mètres

http://pic.twitter.com/xvDHsEQtkg

[Hanni]

10000 mètres

Ah merci, j'ai lu trop vite

[Aerojordy]

Encore des pilotes qui ne regardent pas leur Tikas.

[pilote92250]

Si c'est un missile le TCAS ne sert pas a grand chose...

[Jumbo]

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format ... 17-crashes

[TommyBoy]

@Dan

Ils me semblent être plus au nord, dans la FIR de Kiev ou de Dnipropetrovsk, mais pas dans celle de Simferopol, auquel ce notam fait référence...ça fout d'autant plus les jetons!

[pilote92250]

Visiblement c'était vers Donetsk, à confirmer

[pilote92250]

Selon Flight Aware voici la dernière position de l'avion

http://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/M ... /EHAM/WMKK

[Joey200696]

RIP

[pinacolada]

Ce n'est pas ce coin que l'EASA préconise d'éviter à cause du double-contrôle russo-ukrainien ?

EASA Safety Information Bulletin

SIB No.: 2014-10
Issued: 03 April 2014

Subject: Simferopol Flight Information Region (FIR)

Ref. Publications: ICAO State letter [EUR/NAT 14-0243.TEC (FOL/CUP) issued
on 02 April 2014];

NOTAM A0569/14 published by the Ukrainian authorities.
Applicability: National Aviation Authorities and Aircraft operator(s).

Description: Taking into consideration the recent publication by the
Russian Federation of a series of notices to airmen
(NOTAMs) modifying the Simferopol FIR which is under the
responsibility of Ukraine, and their intent to provide air traffic
services (ATS) within this airspace, the Agency draws the
aviation communities’ attention to the possible existence of
serious risks to the safety of international civil flights.
Due to the unsafe situation where more than one ATS
provider may be controlling flights within the same airspace
from 3 April 2014, 0600 UTC onwards, consideration should
be given to measures to avoid the airspace and
circumnavigate the Simferopol FIR with alternative routings.
Information is provided for the National Aviation Authorities
responsible for oversight of aircraft operator(s) which may use
the airspace of the Simferopol FIR.

Recommendation(s): National Aviation Authorities should ensure that all aircraft
operator(s) are aware of the following information:
European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), ICAO and
EUROCONTROL Network Manager strongly recommend
airspace users to avoid specific airspace and circumnavigate
Simferopol FIR using available alternative routings.

Non cette recommandation concerne la FIR de simferopol et incluant la crimee.
En plus de cette recommandation Eurocontrol refuse depuis Avril tout plan de vol survolant Simferopol FIR.
Le route du vol de la malaysian a respectee la zone en question.

Il n'y a eu aucune recommandation concernant le reste de l'Ukraine.

[youpla]

info a prendre avec des pincettes:

Quelques minutes après le crash, un leader des séparatistes pro-russe annonçait sur tweeter avoir abattu un avion AN-26, le tweet à été supprimé quelques minutes après sa diffusion mais des internautes on pu prendre un screen du message.



Traduction:

AN-26 airplane was shot down near Torez, it fell somewhere behind the mine "Progress".
We warned - do not fly in "our sky".
And here is the video proof of another "bird-fall" (bird = slang for an airplane).
Another bird fell behind the spoil tip, residential areas were not affected.
No civilians were harmed.

[AF319]

Bizarre les photos de l'accident, sachant que la livrée de l'avion qui s'est accidenté est celle ci.....

[SimNico]

Abasourdissant...
Pauvres gens, RIP

L'avion avait bien la livrée conventionnelle, aucun doute là-dessus.

https://twitter.com/planemadblog/status ... 3067874304

https://twitter.com/HuffPostUK/status/4 ... 5615519745