formation JAA aux états unis

[candibar]

Bonjour à tous,

Après de nombreuses recherches sur le net je peux vous annoncer ( certains le savent déjà je le sais) que des écoles de pilotage offrent des formations JAA ATPL à un prix attractif.
Par exemple 72000 dollars US soit 57500 euros pour une formation qui vous donnera deux licences ( américaine et européenne), minimum 500 hdv ( jusqu'à 1000 hdv ) dont 250 hdv sur ME.
Pour cette phase vous travaillez directement dans une compagnie et vous faites des liaisons mexique, canada et US.
Le plus c'est qu'au moins on saura parler anglais "fluently".
Alors je pense qu'il faut boycotter les écoles françaises et partir à l'étranger.
Tout le monde sera gagnant. On saura parler anglais, deux licences, des hdv en conséquences qui permettent de trouver plus facilement du travail et des écoles françaises qui reverront leur tarifs à la baisse et augmenteront les hdv.

A bon entendeur,

[Delta (LFSA)]

Alors je pense qu'il faut boycotter les écoles françaises et partir à l'étranger.
Tout le monde sera gagnant.

Tu trouves pas que tu y vas un peu fort..??
Je veux bien croire que c'est attirant comme formation mais de la a appeller au boycotte des ecoles francaises, je ne te suis pas.
Certes elles sont cheres, mais c'est cela dans tout l'Europe.
De nombreuses personnes demandaient des renseignements sur les ecoles francaises dernierement sur le forum et pour certaines, de tres bons echos sont ressortis.
Certes si cela se passe exactement comme tu le dis (tu travailles directement dans une compagnie), c'est super, mais as-tu cette garantie a 100%?

[hotto1]

candibar
peux tu donner le non de cette école ou de c'est école merci

[Dan]

candibar
peux tu donner le non de cette école ou de c'est école merci

En Francais peut etre? (c'est incomprehensible)

Attention aux discours des commerciaux des ecoles americaines. Quand on vous dit que vous bosserez en compagnie a l'issue de votre formation, ne pensez pas tout de suite 737 ou 320, ca sera beaucoup plus vraisemblablement sur bimoteur leger, voire en instruction.

Dan

[candibar]

Salut,

Je ne trouve pas que j'y suis allé un peu fort.
Il faut être honnête et dire les choses.
C'est trop cher en France et pas beaucoup d'heures de vol.

Je pense que si les écoles françaises avaient moins de candidats, elles baisserait leurs tarifs pour en attirer.
Si cela se produit on aura la preuve qu'elles s'en mettent plein les poches.

Tu fais des heures de vol en ME dans une compagnie américaine pendant 6 mois.
j'ai pas dit qu'il t'embauchait.

www.rainbowair.com
www.ukft.com

A+
Allons tous en Amérique!!! Pays du self made man.

[candibar]

Voici le programme chez ukft.com pour $72000US

3 STEP MODULAR FROZEN ATPL JAA- FAA LICENCE
Course Coordinator: Ajay Sinha Email:fly@ukft.com. Training Partners: RainbowAir, UK Flight Training,
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation and Bristol Ground School
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PROFESSIONAL FROZEN ATPL JAA - FAA
LICENCES WITH 500 HOURS TT
Course Description: This course is designed for students who
are looking to save time, money and have flexibility in the training
program for invaluable Multi Engine Turbine time experience in
order to get an airline job. The course is a 3 stage program which
consists of training in the USA and the UK or any other JAA
member states.
All FAA and JAA Ground School is completed through our unique
ONLINE GROUND SCHOOL which can be started months before
coming to the USA.
Why should I choose this course:
1. This is a simple 3 step program.
2. It’s the fastest way to get qualified as a commercial pilot
3. You will get complete set of FAA and JAA Commercial
Licences giving you the flexibility to work in Europe and
anywhere else in the world.
4. All Ground School is done online giving you complete
flexibility of your time.
5. You will accumulate 250 hours or 500 hours of Multi Crew
Time towards the JAA ATPL in a Commercial Turbo Prop
flying in a Commercial Turbo Prop operation within the USA,
Canada and Mexico.
6. You will gain invaluable experience in Multi Engine Turbo
Prop aircraft that the airlines are seeking.
7. You will eliminate the instructor’s stage by accumulating
higher quality flight experience therefore positioning yourself
ahead of the competition.
8. Payments are made in 5 stages.
9. I 20 Immigration M1 visa provided
3 STEP MODULAR FROZEN ATPL JAA- FAA LICENCE
Course Coordinator: Ajay Sinha Email:fly@ukft.com. Training Partners: RainbowAir, UK Flight Training,
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation and Bristol Ground School
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STEP 1: USA – Duration: Full Time 6 Months
Licences Achieved: JAA / FAA Private Pilots Licence (PPL),
FAA Commercial Pilots Licence (CPL), FAA Instrument
Rating, FAA Multi Engine Rating with Instrument rating.
Written Exams: FAA PPL, FAAIR, JAA PPL, CAA IMC Rating and
FAA CPL.
Flight Tests: FAA PPL, JAA PPL, FAA IR, FAA CPL & FAA Multi
Engine Rating.
Type of Aircraft used and Hours Flown:
Cessna 152: 75
Cessna 172: 25
Cessna 172 SP: 50
Simulator: 20
Piper Arrow or similar: 20
Glass Cockpit Training: 5
Seneca: 10
Beechcraft C-90 or 200: 15 hours in flight training
STEP 2: USA – Duration: Full Time 6 Months
Flight and Ground Training to fly Beech Craft 1900 or King Air
C90/200
Hours Gained as Second in Command: 250 or 500 Hours * flying
in real commercial environment with our contracted companies.
The flying will consist of flying in the USA, Canada and Mexico.
You will be carrying freight or passenger and will fly approx 75
hours per month.
Bristol Ground School JAA ATPL Online Ground School: You will
begin to study for the 1st part of your JAA ATPL exams as you
gain experience flying the Turbo Prop Aircraft. You will be
preparing for the first set of 8 exams.
3 STEP MODULAR FROZEN ATPL JAA- FAA LICENCE
Course Coordinator: Ajay Sinha Email:fly@ukft.com. Training Partners: RainbowAir, UK Flight Training,
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation and Bristol Ground School
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STEP 3: UK – Duration: Part Time 6 Months
1. On Completing your 1st set of JAA ATPL Ground School you
will attend a 2 week refresher course and take the 1st set of the
JAA ATPL Exams. You will continue with your JAA ATPL Online
Ground School for further 6 months and take the second set of 6
exams after completion of your 2 week refresher course.
2. Duration: 30 days.
The final part of your training is completed at TAYFLITE in
Scotland or Bonus Aviation at Cranfield or a school of your choice
leading to the training for the JAA Instrument rating and JAA
frozen ATPL.
Training Hours: 15 Hours Training for JAA IR
10 Hours on the FNPT 1, 2 or Piper Arrow
5 Hours on Seneca or Seminole
IR Flight Test
Training Hours: 5 Hours on Piper Arrow
CPL Flight Test
Aircraft used in STEP 1
CESSNA 172 SP CESSNA 172 CESSNA 152
PIPER ARROW PIPER SENECA PIPER SEMINOLE
3 STEP MODULAR FROZEN ATPL JAA- FAA LICENCE
Course Coordinator: Ajay Sinha Email:fly@ukft.com. Training Partners: RainbowAir, UK Flight Training,
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation and Bristol Ground School
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Aircraft Used in STEP 2
250 Hours of Beech Craft 1900 time
Aircraft used in STEP 3
The aircraft used in Step 3 are the same aircraft which were used
in Step 1 therefore making your JAA training easier and more cost
effective.
Piper Arrow Piper Seneca Piper Seminole
MCC training is completed in the UK. Approx cost ₤2000
There are two options available:
Local Hotel: $1200 per month : You can stay at our preferred
hotel, the Guest House International. Included: Breakfast, Free
Shuttle Service within 5 miles from the hotel, clean private rooms,
heated pool, free WIFI Internet service. This option allows you to
focus on your flying rather than spending time on how to get to
the airport, cleaning, paying and arranging for utilities and
cooking. The rate is based on single or double occupancy.
3 STEP MODULAR FROZEN ATPL JAA- FAA LICENCE
Course Coordinator: Ajay Sinha Email:fly@ukft.com. Training Partners: RainbowAir, UK Flight Training,
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation and Bristol Ground School
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Apartments: $600 per month: Apartments can be arranged
(subject to availability) at a rate of $600 per month. You will need
a bike or a car to commute. The apartments are within 5 miles
from the flight school.
Package Includes:
• Licences: JAA PPL, FAA PPL, FAA IR, CAA IMC Rating,
JAA Radio Licence, FAA CPL and FAA Multi Engine Rating
• Licences ( Step 3): JAA CPL (Frozen ATPL), JAA Instrument
Rating, MCC.
• Flight Tests: FAA PPL, JAA PPL, FAA IR, FAA CPL, FAA
ME-IR.
• Total of 250 hours of training with rainbows syllabus.
• Online Ground School: FAA PPL, IR, CPL and Multi Engine
• 3 FAA Written Exams.
• INTIAL SIC TRAINING ON TURBINE AIRCRAFT.
• 250 Hours of Multi Engine Turbo Prop Time.
• A total of 500 hours.
• 250 hours of Multi Crew Experience.
• Online JAA ATPL Correspondence Course.
• Headset books and Equipment.
• 13 JAA Written Exam fees.
• Online Ground School Fees and laptop.
• Airport Shuttle pick up.
• MCC Training in the UK.*
• JAA Instrument Rating and CPL Flight Test*
• JAA CPL/ATPL and Instrument Rating Flight Test Fees*
• Navigation. Approach and Landing fees*.
PRICE: $72000 (₤39995)
Based on 1.8 Exchange rate
* paid directly to UK training provider.
3 STEP MODULAR FROZEN ATPL JAA- FAA LICENCE
Course Coordinator: Ajay Sinha Email:fly@ukft.com. Training Partners: RainbowAir, UK Flight Training,
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation and Bristol Ground School
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Payment Installments: Payments will be accepted in 33.3%
installments in the total amount spent in the USA. $55091
1st Payment of 10% deposit will be accepted at the time of
booking the course. $7200
2nd Payment of 33% will be accepted at the beginning of the 1st
month of training. $15996
3rd payment of 33% will be accepted at the beginning of the 2nd
month of training. $15996
4th payment of 23% will be accepted at the beginning of the 3rd
month of training. $15899
5th payment will be made directly to the UK training provider for
MCC, CPL and IR Training. Payment will be made to Tayflite or
Bonus Aviation, CAA Examiners and MCC training provider. This
will total ₤5035 for CPL/IR training, ₤2000 for the MCC, ₤1300 for
CAA flight test fees, ₤715 CAA Written Examination fees &
navigation fees totaling ₤300.
Detailed breakdown:
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation: ₤5035
Approach and landing fees: ₤300
CAA Instrument rating test fee: ₤672
CAA CPL/ATPL flight Test fee: ₤672
MCC Training: ₤2000
CAA written exams (13 exams): ₤715 (₤55 each)
Total: ₤9394 $16909
Method of Payment: Payment in the USA can be made by
bankers draft, travellers cheques, local check or cash.
Cancellation Policy: The deposit is not refundable. Packages
cancelled 30 days or less before, on, or at any time after the
course is due to commence are subject to a cancellation charge
of 33% of the balance of the package.
3 STEP MODULAR FROZEN ATPL JAA- FAA LICENCE
Course Coordinator: Ajay Sinha Email:fly@ukft.com. Training Partners: RainbowAir, UK Flight Training,
Tayflite or Bonus Aviation and Bristol Ground School
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COST INVOLVED IN UK PART OF FLIGHT TRAINING.
Our course fee is inclusive of estimated cost of your JAA Training
in the UK. You will be responsible to pay the difference should the
UK prices or the CAA exam fees change.
CAA EXAM FEES (Based on current Charges)
You are responsible for all CAA fees.
CAA ATPL EXAM FEES: 13 exams. Fee per exam ₤55
CAA CPL/ FROZEN ATPL FEE: ₤672
CAA INSTRUMENT RATING FAA: ₤672
Please note: The above UK prices are based on current charges
and is subject to change. You are responsible to pay the UK
Training providers and the CAA Fees directly.
OVERALL COST:
The over all cost of this training is comparable to a standard
Frozen ATPL modular course however our program gives you two
sets of Licences and 250 hours of TURBO PROP Experience.
Our aim is to get you quality hours and experience so that you
can get that dream job of flying for an airline.
How to Book:
Simply fill in the application form on line at www.ukft.com.
Once we receive the application form we will start the immigration
M1 visa process. Please allow a minimum of 4-5 weeks in order
to get your M1 visa.
A deposit will be required at the time of booking the course and
can be paid by bank wire transfer. Please contact us for bank
details.

[alphafloor]

Effectivement les USA c'est super, mais il faut bien être sûr que tu n'auras aucun problème de visa là bas pour travailler, si tu veux pouvoir batir un projet concret. J'ai lu juste la fin de ton message précédent, et j'ai vu visa M1. A ma connaissance, ca ne permet pas de faire carrière là bas et d'espérer avoir un job à long terme. Donc je pense qu'il faut encore une fois penser au saint graal : la green card. Et c'est là que ça peut devenir compliqué...

[Dan]

Je pense que si les écoles françaises avaient moins de candidats, elles baisserait leurs tarifs pour en attirer

Ne pense pas que les tarifs sont fixes au hasard, c'est extremement lourd financierement de faire tourner un FTO. Des avions bien entretenus, ca a un prix, de bons instructerus ca a un prix, etc... Je ne dis pas que ce n'est pas le cas aux US, mais les charges sont largement moindres.

Dan

[candibar]

Bonjour

Mais vous n'avez rien compris!!
J'ai pas dit qu'il fallait ensuite bosser là bas bien au contraire.
Il faut se former là bas puis revenir en France bosser.
On acquiert plus d'expérience là bas. ( plus hdv, anglais, stage dans une compagnie en situation réelle)

Se former là bas pour moins cher et revenir en France ou dans l'europe.

C'est çà l'idée.

[excelaviation]

Salut,

encore une fois, et comme mentione plus haut, un visa M1 ne permet pas de travailler aux USA! Les heures accumulees sur Be-90 ou Be-200, ne sont pas des heures legales: je m'explique; Ces avions ne demandent pas de 2eme pilote aux USA, donc dans ton logbook FAA, ce ne seront pas de heures PIC (car tu ne seras surement pas qualifie par la compagnie), ni des heures SIC, puisqu'un SIC n'est pas requis. En fait, tu vas mettre ces heures illegalement PIC dans ton logbook.

Pour faire partie d'une 135 qui demande (par Ops Specs) un 2eme pilote a droite sur ce type de machine, tu dois etre legalement embauche par cette compagnie, et avoir suivi un entrainement approuve par la FAA (question d'assurance). Et avec un visa M1, ce n'est pas legal.

Je sais, c'est tres attrayant, mais mefiance...