questions projet pilote pro

[pearl]

Salut,
je suis jeune pilote privé (18ans). Je passe actuellement les concours pour entrer en tant qu'officier pilote sous contrat dans notre chère armée.
J'ai néanmoins prévu des "back up", et là est ma question :
1) passer mon ATPL théorique (correspondance/tps complet??), avec Mermoz.
puis,
atpl en poche : concours cadets air france, et enac

si échec :

2) formation pratique au Canada, surement harvsair avec formation instructeur.
faire de l'instruction au Canada (1 à 2ans) ---> monter son nombre d'heures.

3) rentrer en France et me présenter aux compagnies aériennes.

Ayant deja mon ATPL francais, aurais-je à passer des reconversions?

merci!

[Thib119]

Salut,

Ca a l'air d'etre un plan bien ordonne. La plupart des europeens qui viennent a Harv's Air et qui reconvertissent en JAA ensuite preferent passer par Oxford ou Bristol, mais comme a titre personnel je ne compte pas convertir JAR...
Si tu rentres en europe a l'issue de ces 2 ans. Tu n'auras pas a repasser les tests ecrits puisque tu auras un atpl jar, mais tu devras faire les tests en vol jar: le cpl, le multi et le multi ifr.

Tu peux fouiller les modalites de conversions dans les LASORS, c'est la reglementation britannique sur http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?c ... il&id=1591

Pour convertir un cpl oaci en jar, tu peux lire la section D1.5
"....
The holder of a current and valid* CPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State may be issued with a JAR-FCL CPL(A) providing the experience requirements of JAR-FCL 1.155(b) and (c) have been met. Applicants must:
• Hold a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
• Undertake CPL(A) theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the Head of Training of an approved training provider and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at CPL(A) level. Applicants who wish to attempt examinations at a higher level (i.e. ATPL(A) level) must undertake the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical nowledge examinations at ATPL(A) level.
• Undertake flying training as determined by the Head of Training of a FTO approved to conduct CPL(A) modular flying training courses, sufficient to obtain the pre-entry Form 170A (to include 5 hours on a complex aeroplane type if this requirement has not been previously satisfied) and pass the CPL(A) skill test (in accordance with Appendices 1 and 2 to JAR-FCL 1.170) with a CAA Flight Examiner.
• Qualify for the issue of a UK Flight Radio Telephony Operator’s Licence (FRTOL) - Section B refers.

* The holder of an ICAO CPL(A) that is not current and valid will be required to complete the full CPL(A) modular flying training course.
..."


et pour convertir un atpl oaci en jar, tu peux lire la section G1.5:
"...
The holder of a current and valid* ICAO ATPL(A) who does not meet the experience requirements for the grant of a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) as detailed in Section G1.5, can still apply for a JAR-FCL CPL(A)/IR. Applicants must:
• Hold a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
• Undertake CPL(A) and IR theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the Head of Training of an approved training provider, and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge at CPL(A) and IR level. Applicants who wish to attempt examinations at a higher level (i.e. ATPL(A)) must undertake the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL(A) level.
• Undertake flying training as determined by the Head of Training of a Flight Training Organisation approved to conduct CPL(A) modular flying training courses, sufficient to obtain the pre-entry Form 170A (to include 5 hours on a complex aeroplane type if this requirement has not been previously satisfied), and pass the CPL(A) skill test (in accordance with Appendices 1 and 2 to JAR-FCL 1.170) with a CAA flight examiner.
• for additional IR(A) training see non-JAA

ICAO IR(A) below:
• Qualify for the issue of a UK Flight Radio Telephony Operator’s Licence (FRTOL) – Section B refers.
* The holder of an ICAO ATPL(A) that is not current and valid will be required to complete the full CPL(A) modular flying training course.
..."


et pour l'ifr oaci en jar voir la section E1.2, c'est un peu plus complique
"...
IR(A) Training conducted in other JAA States
In accordance with JAR-FCL 1.065(c), training and testing for an IR(A) may be undertaken at a JAA Approved FTO in another JAA Member State. Applicants will be required to complete the full modular course of training and the IR(A) Skill Test in that State as detailed below. Applicants who qualify for the conversion requirements detailed below must also complete the applicable course and IR(A) Skill Test in
that State. (A list of JAA Member States recommended by the JAA for mutual recognition can be found in Section A2).
Applicants should be aware of the UK CAA’s policy with regards applicants who have already commenced IR(A) training and wish to then transfer to another JAA State. The policy is as follows:
• Applicants who have commenced IR(A) training with a UK Approved FTO will not be permitted to complete the remainder of their flying raining and testing in another JAA Member State. Applicants will be required to complete the remainder of their IR(A) course and Skill Test with the UK Approved FTO, or, complete an entire course of IR(A) training and Skill Test in the other JAA Member State.
• Applicants who have commenced IR(A) training in a JAA Member State other than the UK will not be permitted to complete the remainder of their flying training and testing in the UK or with another JAA Member State. Applicants will be required to complete the remainder of their IR(A) course and Skill Test with the existing JAA State or, complete an entire course of IR(A) training and Skill Test in the UK or another JAA Member State.
• Applicants who have completed a course of IR(A) training and testing with a UK Approved FTO and are required to complete remedial training following failure of their IR(A) Skill test(s) must complete their training and IR(A) Skill Test with their existing UK Approved FTO. Alternatively, the applicant can complete another entire course of IR(A) training and Skill Test in another JAA Member State.
..."

MAIS AUSSI CONVERSION IFR DANS LA SECTION E
"...
These arrangements will provide a route to a JAR-FCL IR(A) qualification for the following holders of a current and valid* IR issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1.

ICAO IR(A) holder to JAR-FCL IR(A)
ICAO IR(H) holder to JAR-FCL IR(A)
JAR-FCL IR(H) holder to JAR-FCL IR(A)
* The holder of an ICAO IR(A)/(H) that is not current and valid will be required to complete the full IR(A) course.

1. Undertake JAR-IR(A) theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the Head of Training of an approved training provider and pass all
JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at IR level. Applicants who wish to attempt the ATPL(A) examinations must undertake the full
650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and pass all JAR-FCL ATPL(A) examinations.
2. Complete a minimum of 15 hours instrument time under instruction (including 170A flight test) of which 5 hours may be in a FNPT 1 or 10 hours in a FNPT 2 or Flight Simulator.
3. Complete a minimum of 10 hours IR flight instruction (including 170A flight test) as per JAR-FCL 1.205 in Aeroplanes.
4. Complete a minimum of 25 hours instrument flight time under instruction (including 170A flight test) of which 5 hours may be in a FNPT 1 or 10 hours in a FNPT 2 or Flight Simulator. Note D may apply.
5. Additional IR training considered necessary by the Head of Training of an approved FTO.
6. Pass the JAR IR(A) Skill Test.

Table 1 Notes
a. ICAO CPL holders may not claim a further 5 hour reduction as per Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.205 or 2.205 as appropriate.
b. Synthetic Training Devices (FNPT1, FNPT 2,Flight Simulator) shall be appropriately approved.
c. Holder of an ATPL(A) with IR issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 who meets the 1500 hours flying experience requirements on
multi-pilot aeroplanes as PIC or co-pilot of Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.015 may be exempted from the requirements to undergo approved IR
training prior to undertaking the theoretical knowledge examinations and the skill test, if that licence contains a valid multi-pilot type rating for the aeroplane to be used for the ATPL(A) skill test, or will be undertaking a JAA Approved Type Rating Course for a multi-pilot type rating.
d. Other exceptional cases should continue to be referred to the CAA.
e. These credits shall remain subject to review in discussion with the JAA and representatives of UK Training Organisations.
f. Candidates for an IR(A) shall meet the experience requirements as per JAR-FCL 1.190.
g. Holders of an ICAO SE IR(A) wishing to obtain a JAR-FCL ME IR(A) will be required to attend an approved IR(A) training provider. There are
currently 3 alternative approved courses of training to obtain the JAR-FCL ME IR(A). Applicants should consult with the IR training provider as to which course of training they have been approved to conduct:-
Option 1: Complete a minimum of 15 hours SE IR flight instruction, of which 5 hours may be in a FNPT 1 or 10 hours in a FNPT 2 or Flight
Simulator. In addition, applicants must hold a multi-engine class rating and complete an additional 5 hours instrument flying instruction in
multi-engine aeroplanes, of which 3 hours may be in a Flight Simulator or FNPT 2 and pass a ME IR(A) Skill Test; or
Option 2: Complete a minimum of 13 hours ME IR flight instruction in a ME FNPT 2. In addition, applicants must hold a multi-engine class rating and complete at least 7 hours instrument flying instruction in multi-engine aeroplanes; or
Option 3: Complete a minimum of 15 hours ME IR instruction in a multi-engine aeroplane (no instructional time will be allowed in a FNPT or
Flight Simulator).


Voila voila, c'est bien vous avez lu jusqu'au bout

[pearl]

merci!